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Rationality Not Dead Yet

The California State Assembly has voted down a bill that would have banned public schools from naming their sports teams after Indian tribles.

Of course, the idiots are going to make another try:

Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles, immediately moved for reconsideration. […]

Goldberg contends that use of tribal names by public schools is offensive and contrary to the state’s obligation to provide an equal education for all.

Indians can feel embarrassment, anger or ridicule over the use of such names at campus sporting events or rallies, according to supporters of AB 2115.

Has it not occurred to these idiots that people don’t name their sports teams after things that they consider ridiculous? And why do these people seem to have no problem with sports teams that are named for groups of white people> The Notre Dame Fighting Irish, the Green Bay Packers, the New England Patriots, the Dallas Cowboys, the Montréal Canadiens, the Vancouver Canucks, the Syracuse Orangemen, and dozens of other less-famous teams are named for groups of people, some of ethnic (or at least cultural) basis.

Nobody suggests that the New England Patriots are named in order to “ridicule” patriots, and you’d be laughed off the stage if you were to seriously suggest that Irish people would feel “embarassment” at a Notre Dame football game because of the team’s name.

Yet it’s automatically assumed that any team with a name inspired by American Indians is a jab at Indians’ culture. In the idiots’ world, any reference at all by a member of the majority to a minority group is a slur, until proven otherwise. What a bleak world those people must live in.

Posted by tino at 23:17 29.05.02
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You failed to mention though that PETA is objecting to the name Packers…because it refers to meat packers.

Posted by: Paul Johnson at May 30, 2002 12:28 AM

They are? My god, you’d think they could find some vivisected monkeys that needed help or something.

What a stunning waste of time and money.

Posted by: Nicole at May 31, 2002 04:09 PM

Your comparison is not very accurate. Yes, they are called the Fighting Irish but what if they were called the Fighting Micks?

When you name a team the “redskins” it’s a slur because it specifically references their skin color. When you name a team “Patriots” you’re specifically referencing a laudable quality of character, not an ethnicity.

Also, the history of Native Americans is very unique. They aren’t exactly your typical minority group. They have put up with enough bullshit from white men; they shouldn’t have to put up with overblown stereotyped mascots too.

Maybe you should ask a Native American what they think. You might learn something.


Posted by: Mike at June 4, 2002 10:22 PM

The history of Native Americans is hardly “unique”. I cannot think of a single ethnic or cultural group in the world that has not at some time or other been subjugated by another. The fact that they have put up with “bullshit” from the “white” man is nothing that sets them apart.

And what specifically makes “Redskins” a slur? Is it a slur to call Africans “Black”? It’s simply a descriptive term (and, in fact, “Redskin” is much more accurately descriptive of the presumably sun-burnt Indians encountered by early European settlers than “Black” is of Africans).

“Mick” is a specifically deroggatory term, akin to “nigger”. Interestingly enough, I can’t think of a term analogous to “nigger” for Native Americans. The only thing that comes to mind is the comical “blanket-ass”, which I’ve never heard anyone actually use.

And, while I haven’t asked any Native Americans what they think on the matter (have you, Mr. Sanctity?), I’ve read a number of news reports that seem to indicate that most Indians don’t really give a damn, as most of them have bigger problems. It seems to me that most of these efforts are being spearheaded by idiotic white people.

Posted by: Tino at June 26, 2002 05:29 PM

I belive that what tino is saying is right. I am indian myself and i dont feel that there is anything wrong with most team that are named after different tribes or they’re attributes. i only have a problem with the washington redskins (football team). the word “redskin” is a term that explorers and bounty hunters use too say about indians because of the way they looked after they were skined alive or in death. i also feel that the way indians are dericted by team mascots can be degrading to my race. i have seen indian mascots chased by cowboys at team games and i dont like it one bit. thats all i got to say for the time.

one luv!

Posted by: mandela at October 31, 2002 11:08 AM